Mar 042010

Day Trader Stop-Running “Trick” for Trend Trading

Posted by Barry Burns in Day Trading, Forex, Futures, Stocks, Technical Analysis, Trends, Video tags: day trader, trend trading

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Technical Analysis Award

The “Special Traders Issue” of Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities just came out and (drum roll please) …

Top Dog Trading won a First Runner Up Readers’ Choice Award for “Technical Analysis Web Sites!”

This award is especially meaningful to me because it’s based on the number of votes submitted by individual traders.

A big thank you to all who voted for my site. I really appreciate it, and to show my gratitude I will share with you a new video on day trader stop running that can be used for trend trading, and even for reversal trading.

It’s a quickie (only 3 minutes long), but a goodie!

Learn more about the other “energies” I mention in this video by watching my free Trading Method Videos.

What do you think of this video? Please leave your comments and responses below.

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71 Responses to “Day Trader Stop-Running “Trick” for Trend Trading”

  1. kb Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    I think what you are seeing there is a random occurence…that same exact pattern occurs on trend continuations as well and not just trend reversals.

  2. Matthew Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Good video Dr Barry. A very good, simple yet very smart approach.

  3. Larry Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Very nice technique,

    It occurs quickly, you’ll want most of your edges lining up for higher probability.

    For sure be awake at the switch. Very Nice thrill.

  4. Dean Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Hello Barry Burns,
    Thanks for another great video. Stop running has always been a bane for many of us. Good to have a systematic way to spot the setup.
    Very best to you always,
    Dean W
    Australia

  5. Simon Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Nice pattern Barry. Thanks!

  6. galen Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Thanks Dr. Burns this is going to be helpful. I will keep it in mind as I continues to demo trade.

  7. Mark Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Hi Barry. M8 your a gem, stop running is THE most frustrating thing in trading, as you say most of us amateur traders don`t have the means to deal with this, so thanks for the tip. Good to see someone on our side.

  8. Peter Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Elegant sufficiency! Your videos are always clear and to the point. Thank you.

  9. Steve Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    A nice KISS strategy. Congratulations to the award
    Dr Burns I’m happy with you.

  10. paul hurst Says:

    March 5th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    very interesting keeps it nice and simple in a short video

  11. Mike Jupp Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Thanks Barry nicely explained.
    Well done on the award.

  12. wout Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 3:10 am

    Very nice video! as hint i use an indicator and many times you will see divergence where you can buy or sell at that point!

  13. Ed Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Barry,
    Thanks, again, for another straight forward explanation and resolution for a frustrating (and expensive) problem.
    Congratulations on a well deserved award.
    Ed

  14. Cliff Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Your are one of the few looking to help the little guy with your fairly priced lessons and very understandable explanations. Thanks

  15. Michael Standen Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 4:49 am

    Simple but true! Short and sweet video; like a catchy single released to promote a great LP/album!Thanks!

  16. Erik Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 5:12 am

    Wanna give Dr Burns a big compliment for the
    site and video’s .
    Keep up the good work!
    A dutch trader

  17. Shawn Ambrose Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Wow, that explains a lot — many thanks Barry!

  18. dave Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:09 am

    How many minute candles should you trade with? 3 minute, 5, 15 etc.

  19. Jim Hakala Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Very nice video; short, sweet and to the point!! I’m so happy you won the award! Keep the excellent video newsletters rolling! Thanks!

  20. Brian Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:25 am

    Barry
    Nicely articulated, and makes sense that if stops are setin predictable places, like just above swing highs, they could be run. In the situation you describe, though, it looks like the market runs the stop and traders take advantage of the move to get into a more sustained trade after the stop is run. Is this what happens?

  21. Ed Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:25 am

    Another great video Barry…As regards the observation from kb that this also happens with continuation patterns: The odds of this turning into a continuation pattern are greatly reduced by waiting until the reversal candle closes and making sure it reverses more than 50% of the length of the bottoming candle…this was also covered by you in the video. For the ultra-cautious you can always wait until the reversal pattern breaks ABOVE the high of the bottoming candle! Great job Dr. Burns!

  22. maria Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Thanks Barry for this simple,clear and short video.

  23. Greg R. Hohman Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Thanks Barry…will give it a try and see what it does for me…I would like a slight bit more detail/example on the actual entry here…in the short setup, you say to enter below the low of the 2 bar reversal pattern, does that mean the lowest of the two bars, or perhaps just the open of the new 3rd bar if equal or below the 2nd bar? …really appreciated, gh

  24. rohan Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    a great advise again! Thanks Barry!

  25. Richard Mozer Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    A GREAT point brought again by Dr. Barry. Using this idea in my trading has taught me to be patient and try to see the movement from the people’s eyes that control the most money. When you see what they are doing you “pounce” on the trade and ride it with them. WONDERFUL VIDEO!

  26. MN Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Hi Barry, thanks for videos as usual very nice illustrations.I do not understand however what would the stop running pros gain in doing so? Stop running would rather help create energy if they want to set up a trend reversal rather than continuation of the trend in the original direction.
    Could you shed some more light on that so that we know how far to set up the stops?
    Thanks.

  27. Joe Gnandt Blackdog Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Thank you Dr Barry these 3 videos are excellent, I learned something new and I have been trading for many years

  28. charles Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Traders International has made an entire industry around this, they keep a propritary MACD and stochastic to determine the turn around, but I might add it is a little late for those that like to get that bottom tick.

  29. Avishay Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Barry Hi ,
    Do the pros , know before hand the buy/sell order , or they assume just ,by looking support/ressistance/movin avearge view ?
    thanks
    avishay

  30. Barry Burns Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Dave,

    You’ll see this pattern on most time frames. There’s no “magic” or “best” chart interval to use this with.

    Barry

  31. Barry Burns Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Hi Brian,

    Yes, that is the idea – especially when these stop runs occur with the trend.

    Barry

  32. Barry Burns Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Greg,

    As I mention in the video, I need to make sure the other energies align before I take a trade. But to answer your question, my entry would normally be below the low of the second bar in the 2 bar candlestick pattern, even if that low is higher than the low of the first bar.

    Barry

  33. Barry Burns Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    And I like your point – one that would probably help traders be profitable more than any other issue: Be patient! Take fewer, better trades. Over trading is the #1 cardinal sin of retail traders.

    Barry

  34. Robby Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Great video Barry and high probabilty setup especially with divergence occuring.I find these work out nicely with the trend also…congratulations on the award !

  35. Larry Johns Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Thanks for the great video, and congratulations
    on the S&C award. You deserve it for your great
    desire to help so many traders.

  36. erika Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    very good video, would be nice to see it with the volume.

  37. steve portman Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Thanks for the continued interest. What I don’t understand is why it would be in the professional’s interest to turn to movement back on itself and bounce it. What would be wrong with the trade going in the first direction without the detour?

    Best Wishes

  38. juan m Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    awesome Dr. Barry thanks

  39. Allen Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Thanks Barry, another gem of information and something to keep in mind in future trading.

  40. Scott Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    You can write code to find that exact setup in Telechart. I think I have it some where.

    Another way to help visualize this is with the use of the Donchian volitility channels.

    I started looking into developing strategies based on “natural tendencies”, and “unavoidable occournaces”. I totaly gave up on fundamentals. The only fundamental I care about really is liquidity. Beyond that I only car that the issue is outperforming the SPY, and it’s sector is outperforming the SPY at the time of evaluation.

    ALL enviable price swings can be viewed from the perspective of having kissed the lower chanel good bye (10-15 or 20 period for short term trades. Beyond that I have little faith in anything else. Candles to manage stops and visualize entries, moving averges to point out the trend. After that my favorite entry is this setup seen through the lens of bouncing off the bottom of the volitility chanel. It allows tight stops and is an unavoidable occourance. There are fakeouts as with any setup. But eventually when the move comes the kiss goodbye is at it’s base.

  41. Apurba Chatterjee Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Dr. Barry:
    A nice insight! Is it included in your Swing Trading course – how effective is this for intraday price action?

    Sincerely,
    Apurba Chatterjee

  42. Jennifer Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    great Dr B. your teaching style is simple, informative, and very understandable.

  43. Joseph Mundy Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Dr. Burns,
    It seems there is no end to your giving, helpful nature. You’ve helped so many of us, become better traders and you do it in a simple, common sense and even humorous way. I own all your courses and they are without a doubt, the very best teaching material, I have ever purchased. Your methodology and training has transformed my trading into a laser accurate, confident, profitable business. I want to give you a big compliment. You’re the kind of man, anyone would enjoy being personal friends with. Congratulations on the Reader’s Choice Award! In my humble opinion, you should have won No. 1. Thank you for all you do, to make us better at the business we love Dr. Burns.

  44. chalan Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Dr. Barry.

    Very nice explanation in one of the most complex traps for newbis. Another thing to keep an eye for is that this trap usually happens after 3 or more green bars to resistance or viceversa taking advantage of natural laws of gravity.

  45. Brian Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Congratulations Barry on your award. I’d agree w/ a few of the comments left before me about the location of these setups and the benefit of using divergent indicators (slow stochastic perhaps). Your articles combined w/ traders’ responses is always a good place to find a nugget or two.

  46. Richard Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Excellent info! You insight continues to help new investors learn the overall trading process.

  47. Michael Skowronski Says:

    March 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Whoo Hooo…yes I have seen this pattern and mostly I have used it to indicate “GET OUT NOW!” but now I’ll begin looking for it as a way to get in now.

  48. Kulvadee Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Thanks Dr Burns, I will keep in mind with this setup. You always have excellent info for us and Congratulations on the Reader Choic Award, you deserve it.

  49. Jonnie Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Thanks Barry – excellent tip on how to avoid stop running for us retail traders when competing against the bog boys – cheers.

  50. Bruce Piesecki Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Dr. Burns, This is why we voted for you! Great advice with caring for all traders at the best values around!

  51. Bob Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    When combined with divergences, a very effective technique!

  52. Scott Brodrick Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Hindsight it looks great, but I’m not so sure I haven’t seen this pattern when the market has continued in the trend, not just reversals. Maybe it could be used with a tight stop? I’ll have to test it.

  53. Patti Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Hi Barry,
    I appreciate your generosity, but where’s the
    video??????? I brought up the page 3 times and
    do not see the video link anywhere???

  54. Royston Simmons Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Hi Barry,
    Congratulations on your S&C award.

    A good explanation of this tactic used by professional traders. I would like to add a bit more info as follows.

    This setup is known as a false or fake breakout and occurs at a Support/Resistance level, which has been tested 2 to 3 times. The professional traders know where the retail traders are putting their stops, so they will drive the price through the obvious stops levels and then close below resistance or above support. So, when you see this setup occuring wait for the professional traders to do their stuff, and then look for the reversal pattern that closes below resistance or closes above support, as explained by Barry.

  55. Barry Burns Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Thanks for asking Apurba. I use this for day trading as much as swing trading.

  56. Barry Burns Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Steve,

    Good question. It’s because the pros wisely don’t want to chase the market. After a lot of people have entered, there aren’t as many to come in after in order to continue the movement. So it helps to take the market participants out of the move, then come in, and let others come back in after you to apply pressure to continue the move.

    Barry

  57. Barry Burns Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Avishay,

    They can see buy and sell orders like you and I can.

    Barry

  58. Barry Burns Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Sure, it’s simply that they want to be first in. The last person in a move gets hurt because there is no one after them to bring in volume necessary to continue the move. So they want to take out those who are already in, then come in themselves (to be first), and then let others come back in after them to cause the move to continue.

    Barry

  59. Peter Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Thanks once again Barry for your continued hints and tricks to assist traders.

  60. Gary Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Thanks Doc.If the world was fair, you would have won the award. Your info is always balanced and professional and greatly appreciated.

  61. Jonnie Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Many thanks again Barry – liked it so much I watched it twice!

  62. James Says:

    March 8th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Thanks Barry, I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to solve this problem. Your simple, clear elegant thoughts have given me the answer. Thanks.

  63. gregory (south africa) Says:

    March 9th, 2010 at 3:59 am

    thank you dr burns for making strategies simple and easy to understand for all new traders, it helps a lot

  64. Alan S Says:

    March 9th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Hi Dr. Barry,

    You have expelled the demons I have had about this with this very informative explanation

  65. Eliot Bissey Says:

    March 9th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Barry, you rock, and totally deserve the award! Good for you! In my opinion, your training materials are the best and they cost the least!
    Keep up the great work, you are the man, and your students truly appreciate you. THANK YOU for your quality and your generosity, sincerely, Eliot.

  66. stevie j Says:

    March 10th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Dr. Burns,
    thank you and congratulations on the well deserved recognition. Regards, Stevie J

  67. Jerry CA Says:

    March 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Hi Barry,
    thank you for your candle stick trade entry explanation. Sounds very good and I will follow this pattern.
    Here are some question if you would be kind to answer:
    1.As a day trader what kind of stocks one should not be trading.

    2.What should be the minimum average daily volume of any stock you would suggest to a day trader.

    3.For going long, What would you suggest if the second low leg does not come in the stock until the last hour.

    4.Should you work with only one stock or more than one stocks in the same day or for long time stick with one only

    Jerry

  68. Barry Burns Says:

    March 13th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Hi Jerry,

    Those are great questions, but more than I can address in a brief blog comment.

    They will be addressed in detail in my new intermediate level course coming out in 2 weeks: “Day Trading the Invisible Edge.”

    However so as not to completely avoid your questions, a lot of it is up to individual preference.

    Some traders prefer to trade the same stock or group of stocks all the time. Others like to do some type of scanning of a large number of stocks to find specific opportunities they are looking for. Both approaches are valid.

    I personally don’t like to trade penny stocks or any stocks with an average volume under 100,000 shares per day. But then you need to look at the chart because some stocks may have decent volume, but have a lot of slippage. This can also be true with ETFs.

    Barry

  69. Richard P. Says:

    March 27th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Barry, Congratulations! This in important award voted for by Traders!

  70. ken Says:

    June 3rd, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Dr Burns has quite a number of mind blowing trading strategies and i absolutely admire him for that. But if i may ask, is Dr burns an active trader, an internet marketer or an educator? Asking because am yet to read of his declaration of one strategy that he uses. ….Still a fan though.

  71. Barry Burns Says:

    June 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Hi Ken,

    Fair enough question!

    The answer is all 3. I’m a huge believer in the “multiple streams of income” philosophy.

    However I am an active trader and that is probably your main concern.

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